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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
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eve malku fakti ne politicka propaganda</description>
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<p>eve malku fakti ne politicka propaganda</p>
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		<title>By: Katerina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katerina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 07:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Everyone!

I keep seeing the same question over and over again; the G***ks would like to know why we didn&#039;t have a church before the 20th century. Before I go on with the answer, I&#039;d first like to ask if they are aware of what happened on January 16, 1767?

In an attempt to arrogate the autocephalous Ohrid Church in 1737, according to the historian and former Secretary at the British Embassy in Constantinople from 1893 to 1898, Charles Eliot, &quot;John Ypsilanti tried to persuade the Porte that Ohrid was a centre of Austrian intrigue and ought to be directly subordinated to Constantinople&quot;. The Patriarchate argued that under such circumstances the church of Ohrid would have to come under the jurisdiction of the Patriarchate. Under pressure from the Ottomans, Archbishop Arsenius was removed as the head of the Archbishopric of Ohrid on 16 January 1767. This was followed by an irade (royal act) from Sultan Mustafa III (1757–1773) abolishing the Archbishopric of Ohrid as an autocephalous institution. The abolition of the church was initiated by the Constantinople Patriarch (Samuil Handzheri 1763–1768), and un-canonically administered by a Muslim ruler. Playing into each other’s hands, the Ottoman Turks and Greeks developed a long-standing relationship under which, &quot;the Sultan could never have crushed the heart out of his Christian subjects without the aid of a Christian middleman, and the Greek has used the brute force of his Mohammedan employer to complement his own cleverness and guile&quot;, G.M. Mackenzie and A.P. Irby, The Slavonic Provinces of Turkey in Europe, London 1866, p. 29. 

&quot;The abolition of the Macedonian Archbishopric of Ohrid emerged from political manouvering, and was motivated by a desire to strengthen the position of the Patriarchate in non-Greek territories under Ottoman rule&quot;, C. Eliot, Turkey in Europe, London, 1965 (1900) p. 251. 
&quot;The Macedonian church was annexed to the Patriarchate of Constantinople, which took ecclesiastical control of Macedonia and, in place of native Bishops of one interest with the people, Greeks were sent from Constantinople&quot;, G.M. Mackenzie and A.P. Irby, The Slavonic Provinces of Turkey in Europe, London 1866, p. 29. 
Greek bishops and metropolitans reinforced Greek religious domination in Macedonia by attempting to wipe out traces of the Macedonian character of the Archbishopric of Ohrid. They set upon destroying centuries-old books, records and religious texts and often replaced Macedonian church inscriptions with Greek. In monasteries on the Holy Mountain of Sveta Gora, ‘the Greek clergy acted drastically’, throwing old Macedonian parchments into the sea or burning them in furnaces, and at the Monastery of Saint Naum on Lake Ohrid, the Greek prior Dionysius burned the manuscripts. In Prilep there was a burning of the religious books, whilst the books stored at Veles were destroyed in a bonfire in the marketplace under the orders of the Greek bishop. As much as 300 kilograms of parchments and religious books belonging to the Ohrid Archbishopric were gone forever. &quot;Macedonia - Its People and History, The Pensylvannia State University Press, 1982, p. 108. The library of the Patriachs of Trnovo in Bulgaria, although surviving significantly longer, was destroyed by fire in 1825 at the hands of the Greek Metropolitan Hilarion&quot;, The journalist, J.D. Bourchier, The Balkan States - Their Attitude Towards the Macedonian Question, New York, 1905, p. 52. 


Now do you all want a lesson in how the Exarchate was formed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everyone!</p>
<p>I keep seeing the same question over and over again; the G***ks would like to know why we didn&#8217;t have a church before the 20th century. Before I go on with the answer, I&#8217;d first like to ask if they are aware of what happened on January 16, 1767?</p>
<p>In an attempt to arrogate the autocephalous Ohrid Church in 1737, according to the historian and former Secretary at the British Embassy in Constantinople from 1893 to 1898, Charles Eliot, &#8220;John Ypsilanti tried to persuade the Porte that Ohrid was a centre of Austrian intrigue and ought to be directly subordinated to Constantinople&#8221;. The Patriarchate argued that under such circumstances the church of Ohrid would have to come under the jurisdiction of the Patriarchate. Under pressure from the Ottomans, Archbishop Arsenius was removed as the head of the Archbishopric of Ohrid on 16 January 1767. This was followed by an irade (royal act) from Sultan Mustafa III (1757–1773) abolishing the Archbishopric of Ohrid as an autocephalous institution. The abolition of the church was initiated by the Constantinople Patriarch (Samuil Handzheri 1763–1768), and un-canonically administered by a Muslim ruler. Playing into each other’s hands, the Ottoman Turks and Greeks developed a long-standing relationship under which, &#8220;the Sultan could never have crushed the heart out of his Christian subjects without the aid of a Christian middleman, and the Greek has used the brute force of his Mohammedan employer to complement his own cleverness and guile&#8221;, G.M. Mackenzie and A.P. Irby, The Slavonic Provinces of Turkey in Europe, London 1866, p. 29. </p>
<p>&#8220;The abolition of the Macedonian Archbishopric of Ohrid emerged from political manouvering, and was motivated by a desire to strengthen the position of the Patriarchate in non-Greek territories under Ottoman rule&#8221;, C. Eliot, Turkey in Europe, London, 1965 (1900) p. 251.<br />
&#8220;The Macedonian church was annexed to the Patriarchate of Constantinople, which took ecclesiastical control of Macedonia and, in place of native Bishops of one interest with the people, Greeks were sent from Constantinople&#8221;, G.M. Mackenzie and A.P. Irby, The Slavonic Provinces of Turkey in Europe, London 1866, p. 29.<br />
Greek bishops and metropolitans reinforced Greek religious domination in Macedonia by attempting to wipe out traces of the Macedonian character of the Archbishopric of Ohrid. They set upon destroying centuries-old books, records and religious texts and often replaced Macedonian church inscriptions with Greek. In monasteries on the Holy Mountain of Sveta Gora, ‘the Greek clergy acted drastically’, throwing old Macedonian parchments into the sea or burning them in furnaces, and at the Monastery of Saint Naum on Lake Ohrid, the Greek prior Dionysius burned the manuscripts. In Prilep there was a burning of the religious books, whilst the books stored at Veles were destroyed in a bonfire in the marketplace under the orders of the Greek bishop. As much as 300 kilograms of parchments and religious books belonging to the Ohrid Archbishopric were gone forever. &#8220;Macedonia &#8211; Its People and History, The Pensylvannia State University Press, 1982, p. 108. The library of the Patriachs of Trnovo in Bulgaria, although surviving significantly longer, was destroyed by fire in 1825 at the hands of the Greek Metropolitan Hilarion&#8221;, The journalist, J.D. Bourchier, The Balkan States &#8211; Their Attitude Towards the Macedonian Question, New York, 1905, p. 52. </p>
<p>Now do you all want a lesson in how the Exarchate was formed?</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 16:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Svac

Nobody so far has done any comment on the above mentioned  evidence. Never mind keep up with your work. You are probably afraid to face the truth.
A comment for Svac:
Please come in Greece, you will find out that beyond the mountains we also have islands, industry, services etc, and of course tourism for our culture and civilization.
We don&#039;t want your state, it&#039;s useless to us, we don&#039;t want to feed 2 more million people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Svac</p>
<p>Nobody so far has done any comment on the above mentioned  evidence. Never mind keep up with your work. You are probably afraid to face the truth.<br />
A comment for Svac:<br />
Please come in Greece, you will find out that beyond the mountains we also have islands, industry, services etc, and of course tourism for our culture and civilization.<br />
We don&#8217;t want your state, it&#8217;s useless to us, we don&#8217;t want to feed 2 more million people.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 14:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Svac
Keep a cool head and read history again.
There was no Macedonian Ethnic Entity  before the Balkan wars. Many and different ethnic/religious communities  lived in Geographic Macedonia before 1913. The &quot;..occupation of Aegean Macedonia..&quot; is a figment of the political imagination of your community. Quite a few of the political leaders from your community, have clearly stated that you are a nation of slavs (some of them have even obtained Bulgarian passports). We can all be proud of our backgrounds. We don&#039;t have to distort them. And most importantly, let&#039;s spend our energies toward building a better future, and NOT toward rewriting the past.

&lt;strong&gt;Commented by makedonika: John you are very wrong, the Macedonians were there some of them were influenced by the heavy propaganda that was unleashed on them by their neighbouring countries, but they were still Macedonians.
To get a better understanding of the situation you should read the letters by Theodosius/Teodosij. Follow this link:
http://makedonika.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/teodosij-renewal-of-the-archbishopric-of-ohrid-1891/&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Svac<br />
Keep a cool head and read history again.<br />
There was no Macedonian Ethnic Entity  before the Balkan wars. Many and different ethnic/religious communities  lived in Geographic Macedonia before 1913. The &#8220;..occupation of Aegean Macedonia..&#8221; is a figment of the political imagination of your community. Quite a few of the political leaders from your community, have clearly stated that you are a nation of slavs (some of them have even obtained Bulgarian passports). We can all be proud of our backgrounds. We don&#8217;t have to distort them. And most importantly, let&#8217;s spend our energies toward building a better future, and NOT toward rewriting the past.</p>
<p><strong>Commented by makedonika: John you are very wrong, the Macedonians were there some of them were influenced by the heavy propaganda that was unleashed on them by their neighbouring countries, but they were still Macedonians.<br />
To get a better understanding of the situation you should read the letters by Theodosius/Teodosij. Follow this link:<br />
<a href="http://makedonika.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/teodosij-renewal-of-the-archbishopric-of-ohrid-1891/" rel="nofollow">http://makedonika.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/teodosij-renewal-of-the-archbishopric-of-ohrid-1891/</a></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Svac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Svac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s fact that greek economy did a rapid progress after occupation of Aegean Macedonia 1913, simply they can&#039;t survive without Aegean Macedonia because the rest of their state is rocks and mountains. That fact explains their desire to have Macedonia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s fact that greek economy did a rapid progress after occupation of Aegean Macedonia 1913, simply they can&#8217;t survive without Aegean Macedonia because the rest of their state is rocks and mountains. That fact explains their desire to have Macedonia</p>
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		<title>By: Svac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Svac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ John
thank you for the link, it&#039;s big proof that anti-Macedonian propaganda is not from these days but it has deep roots in your and bulgarian history</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ John<br />
thank you for the link, it&#8217;s big proof that anti-Macedonian propaganda is not from these days but it has deep roots in your and bulgarian history</p>
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		<title>By: Joco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Chris what are you actually proud of?

Go to Russia please... together with the fat black and dirty pig Karamanlis buy some weapons from them. And remember GOD HAS OPEN EYES !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Chris what are you actually proud of?</p>
<p>Go to Russia please&#8230; together with the fat black and dirty pig Karamanlis buy some weapons from them. And remember GOD HAS OPEN EYES !!!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makedonika,

Take a look at these maps, you will find them most informative:
http_//historyofmacedonia.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/maps-and-politics/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makedonika,</p>
<p>Take a look at these maps, you will find them most informative:<br />
http_//historyofmacedonia.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/maps-and-politics/</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dean,
It&#039;s really funny the way you think the whole issue. Nobody in the world care about our argument neither China nor USA. Policy is policy and history is history. The rest of the world doesn&#039;t care about history, we care about history and you care for both of them. The reason is that you want to gain political stability and a place in international organizations by constructing a nation and a history that will help you to gain respect. You believe something that nobody in the world gives a shit, for example I don&#039;t care if Scotland will change its name to New Scotland or North Scotland or even England. If this is so, do you think that the rest of them can see our problem? Don&#039;t forget that there is a 30% of Albanians, are they &quot;Macedonians&quot; too?
Last but not least, you do need our money, you are a poor country and a small market, no country except your neighbours will invest to your country, this is a one way trip. In case we let you down you will be history in a year. Be realistic you can&#039;t close your eyes to the ultimate truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dean,<br />
It&#8217;s really funny the way you think the whole issue. Nobody in the world care about our argument neither China nor USA. Policy is policy and history is history. The rest of the world doesn&#8217;t care about history, we care about history and you care for both of them. The reason is that you want to gain political stability and a place in international organizations by constructing a nation and a history that will help you to gain respect. You believe something that nobody in the world gives a shit, for example I don&#8217;t care if Scotland will change its name to New Scotland or North Scotland or even England. If this is so, do you think that the rest of them can see our problem? Don&#8217;t forget that there is a 30% of Albanians, are they &#8220;Macedonians&#8221; too?<br />
Last but not least, you do need our money, you are a poor country and a small market, no country except your neighbours will invest to your country, this is a one way trip. In case we let you down you will be history in a year. Be realistic you can&#8217;t close your eyes to the ultimate truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dear Greek Friends,

I admire your interest how to defend something that is indefensible. ¿Do you think that more then 100 countries worldwide, including China, Russia, Canada or USA, don’t have history knowledge to know the truth about our history? , ¿Do you think that some small country like REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA has the politic power to influence more then 100 countries with lies? NO my friends.

The truth is always winning. Your politicians are consent that they are loosing this point and in their desperation they are trying to find any dirty method to stop our recognition, even offering us money to accept something unacceptable. We are not selling our identity. We don’t need your money, only your respect.

I believe that one day this point will be something forgotten for us and we can be respected like always we have respected you.
 
Good bless MACEDONIA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear Greek Friends,</p>
<p>I admire your interest how to defend something that is indefensible. ¿Do you think that more then 100 countries worldwide, including China, Russia, Canada or USA, don’t have history knowledge to know the truth about our history? , ¿Do you think that some small country like REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA has the politic power to influence more then 100 countries with lies? NO my friends.</p>
<p>The truth is always winning. Your politicians are consent that they are loosing this point and in their desperation they are trying to find any dirty method to stop our recognition, even offering us money to accept something unacceptable. We are not selling our identity. We don’t need your money, only your respect.</p>
<p>I believe that one day this point will be something forgotten for us and we can be respected like always we have respected you.</p>
<p>Good bless MACEDONIA</p>
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