Macedonians ask for protection of the Holy Roman Emperor, Leopold I, 1690!

Here are two sources of the letter were the Macedonians ask for protection of the Holy Roman Emperor, Leopold I.

The letter is from 26th April 1690.

First source:

Second source:

Here is a translation of the letter into English:

April 26th, 1690 Letter of protection from Leopold I. …This is to inform you that two Macedonians, Marko Kraida born in Kosana and Dimitri Georgi Popovic, born in Macedonian Salonika, have told us that the Macedonian people, with respect for our most righteous task, with devotion and zeal towards our service….we graciously accept them under our imperial and royal mercy and in any case and way the above mentioned Macedonian people, cordially recommending to each and all of our willing commanders not to attack the Macedonian people….Issued in Vienna, April 26th, 1690.

Source of the letter;

Representatives: defenders of the Macedonian people…. J. Radonic, Prilozi za istoriju Srba u Ungarskoj u XVI, XVII and XVIII veku. Knj. I, Matice srpske, nbr 25 and 26, Novi Sad 1908, p. 52-53.

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Here is a brief summary of Leopold I;

Leopold I, Holy Roman Emperor (name in full: Leopold Ignaz Joseph Balthasar Felician; Hungarian: I. Lipót) Habsburg (June 9, 1640 – May 5, 1705), Holy Roman emperor, was the second son of the emperor Ferdinand III and his first wife Maria Anna of Spain. His maternal grandparents were Philip III of Spain and Margarita of Austria.

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37 Responses to “Macedonians ask for protection of the Holy Roman Emperor, Leopold I, 1690!”

  1. Inca Says:

    Hi Makedonika.

    This is full of shit. Originally this was posted in many forums with a date of: 1724

    Once your students found out that leopold died in 1705, your propaganda students went back and changed the date to 1690. You really don’t want me to prove it right?

    Your a phony and proven wrong once again my youn makedonika the robot of Disneyland.

  2. Voya Says:

    Ohh, so Inca, here you show your real face.

    I have this document for years, and it’s date was allways 1690. It was the Greek who falsified, just to destroy the Macedonian nationalism.

    You are not educated properly, as you have never heard about the Karpos uprising in Macedonia.

    Leopold I, announced that Karpos is king of Kumanovo.
    Do you know where Kumanovo is? A Macedonian city 30 km away from the border of Serbia.

    So we could not possibly make so much lies. I can not say the same for you, miserable Greeks.

  3. Voya Says:

    And to be assured that i’m not lying, check more about the Karposh uprising and Karposh himself, you will learn a lot… “Inca”

  4. Inca Says:

    voya…you also supposedly take photoshop lessons is that right? I own a design studio in montreal and coming from a pro, I can easily spot the photoshop work in the document your father makedonika posts. If you cannot, then you need to find yourself a new carreer young boy.

  5. Inca Says:

    Another thing…what does this prove? that there was slavs living in macedonians geographical area in 1690? we know that slavs have been there since 6th century a.d. what’s the point of this? It does nothing for you. The only thing it shows is 2 slavs asking for protection from turks most likely because they’re scared shitless. what about it?

  6. Inca Says:

    Voya you little pre-pubescent emo. You have no clue who you are yourself.

    I was wandering why is this question mark (?) after the name Marcus Craida in an official document.
    Now I know why – because it is NOT an official document, it exists only in Risto Stefov’s fantasies.
    On this very place where the question mark stands in your “original”, Risto had the number (738) which he used for presonal perpose in his work.
    Check this here:

    http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:m_VhQynPdS8J:www.oshchima.com/Historical%2520Documents/hdoc1.pdf+kraida+macedonian&hl=en

    So the Leopold document was made after Risto Stefov’s work was published and it is an obvious FAKE !!!

  7. Inca Says:

    document is printed in the book:
    J. Radonic, Prilozi za istoriju Srba u Ungarskoj u XVI, XVII and XVIII veku. Knj. I, Matice srpske, nbr 25 and 26, Novi Sad 1908, p. 52-53.

    lets see what poor explanation gives bulgarian propagandist site on this document:

    First of all, this passage is tedenciously given by a biased Serbian scholar and might be falsified. Also the Macedonian people mentioned there might not have been perceived by the Austrians as a separate nationality but as the Christian population of Macedonia, including Bulgarians, Greeks, Vlachs, Albanians, etc.

    http;//www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/document.htm

    we ll stay with this site for a while just to show what kind of this site is. for instance, here is comment on the code of low of stefan dushan:

    Indipendent is spelled independent. Stefan called himself Bulgarian king because he ruled over the Bulgarians of Macedonia. He did not rule over any other Bulgarians. It is very unlikely that he called himself a Macedonian king. He called Macedonia Romania at that time. The Serbian scholar falsifies the document.

    now lets back to leopold edict.

    that this document exists only in risto stefovs “fantasies”, its obvious from catholic encyclopedia, under the section of serbia:

    …When, in 1690, the Emperor Leopold I issued a proclamation declaring that he would protect the religion and the political rights of all Slavonic peoples on the Balkan peninsula, and called upon them to rise against the Turks, about 36,000 Servian and Albanian families, led by their patriarch, emigrated from Servia…

    http;//www.newadvent.org/cathen/13732a.htm

    i guess, risto stefov propaganda influence attracts not just macedonians but also catholics.

    you are just little budala

    Wake up young boy,,,,wake up.

  8. makedonika Says:

    inca, then you must run a poor design studio, because between you and me, as Pros so to speak, they are the real thing.

  9. Inca Says:

    mekedoniskata….you must be retarted because you refuse to look at what i have posted and only post in reference to the design. budala

  10. Inca Says:

    if you cant see the photoshop work in the design..that clearly says alot about your visual talent.

  11. Bambos Says:

    Bravo Inca mou!!!!

    I hope that one day they will see the truth that has been hidden from them by their forefathers, what was once a Bulgarian idea/dream is now a MACEDONIAN truth!

  12. Petros Houhoulis Says:

    Hmmm, I think I know what happened. I have seen the Kaprosh rebellion entry in wikipedia. It is quite illuminating:

    http;//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karposh%27s_Rebellion#Aftermath

    For the rebels who survived the battles there was no salvation from the Ottoman backlash except to leave the Balkans. Many fled north beyond the Sava and Danube Rivers. Just as the Karposh revolt was winding down in Central Balkans, on April 6, 1690, Leopold I issued a manifesto inviting “all peoples of Albania, Serbia, Moesia, Bulgaria, Silistria, Illyria, Macedonia and Raška to join the Austrians in taking up arms against the Turks.” Then on April 26, 1690, he issued a letter making region of Macedonia and her people his protectorate. Another letter was issued on May 31, 1690 extending Austria’s protection to Bulgaria, Serbia and Albania. Unfortunately, all these good gestures were too little too late for these provinces which by 1690 was back under tight Ottoman control.

    —————————————————————————-

    So, at April 6, Leopold invited “all peoples of Albania, Serbia, Moesia, Bulgaria, Silistria, Illyria, Macedonia and Raška to join the Austrians in taking up arms against the Turks.”

    What Moesia?

    http;//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moesia

    “The region took its name from the Moesi, a Thracian tribe that lived there before the Roman conquest 75 BC-c. 29 BC and formally became a Roman province of that name some years later (by 6 AD).”

    The Moesi dissapearred during the Roman era, and Moesia during the Byzantine era. The very name of the region was dissapearred the latest by the time of the Serbian conquest of the area, and the entry in wikipedia does not mention anything beyond it. Therefore, it was an obsolete term, at 1690.

    What Illyria?

    http;//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyria

    “Illyria (Ancient Greek Ἰλλυρία; Latin Illyria [1]; see also Illyricum) was in Classical antiquity a region in the western part of today’s Balkan Peninsula, founded by the tribes and clans of Illyrians, an ancient people who spoke the Illyrian languages….”

    http;//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyria#Legacy

    “After the province of Illyricum was divided into Dalmatia and Pannonia in 10, the terms “Illyria” and “Illyrian” would generally go out of use, but would still be used in some circles. The name Illyria was revived by Napoleon for the ‘Provinces of Illyria’…”

    Illyria and the Illyrians dissapearred 15 centuries before Leopold I!!!

    All these names were a blend of ancient people and regions as well as people and regions that existed during the era of Leopold I. Proof of this? What is the use of naming Albania, if you speak of Illyria that includes the whole of Albania? What is the point of speaking of Raška, when it is known that the latter is a part of Serbia, and in fact the name of the most successful Serb Medieval kingdom?

    This confusion engulfed Macedonia as well. We know that the last mention of Macedonia as an administrative region (Macedonia and Thrace) occurs before the fall of Constantinople at 1204. Since then no Macedonia or Macedonians exist in an official sense, and the name has practically dissapearred up to the time of Leopold I.

    Of course, if Macedonia had dissapearred in the real world, its’ place in the history books next to Raška and Illyria shall never go away. Therefore, Leopold spoke of an Ancient Macedonia as if it existed! Some fellas who lived in the lands of Macedonia pretended to be Macedonians. the truth is that their true origins were probably Serb. Why?

    Let’s see who they were: Marko Kraida born in Kosana and Dimitri Georgi Popovic, born in Macedonian Salonika.

    Kosana is in Serbia! Salonika was NOT the name used by your people to describe Thessaloniki. As you know very well, you have been calling it “SOLUN” in your language. Therefore, this guy Popovic does NOT speak your language…

    …And his surname -ic is typically Serb! The other guys’ name is not the typical -ov or -ski of yours, and is probably Serb too…

    …Therefore, the two friends were merely living in Macedonia, something that they found only when Leopold sent them the letter at April 6, and they replied to him that they were Macedonians, simply because that is what Leopold told them – Although they misunderstood: Leopold spoke of the PEOPLE of Macedonia (and other places). Not the MACEDONIANS…

  13. makedonika Says:

    Inca, before you claim anything do a good research first.

    here is your answer:

    http://makedonika.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/verification-macedonians-ask-for-protection-of-the-holy-roman-emperor-leopold-i-1690/

  14. Inca Says:

    makedonskata…

    My answer? I never asked you a question, If you have not noticed, instead, I’ve claimed something else that your trying to refute. Please refer to the way I exposed the letter of risto stefovs and THE ORIGINAL one and how you dirty macedonians interpret something opposite.

  15. gialtouridis Says:

    As far as the Karpos uprising and the letter asking for protection from Leopold I, you can read on the actual letter that:
    “Marcum Craida was from Cosanae, (Slovenia) and Demetrium Georgium Popowik was in Saloniki, macedonica. ” The writer clearly refers to Thessaloniki as Saloniki, not Solun, so some Macedonian altered the translation. Also, Macedonia is used as an adjective (macedonica) with a lower case ‘m’ thus referring to a region rather than a nationality. This letter refers to Macedonia exclusively as a region.

    Edited by makedonika: there is no skopijan nationality nor ethnicity, you must mean Macedonian or are you refering to the inhabitants of Skopia in Florina Prefecture, Greece???

    Where did you read about Solun? The text states Salonica….

  16. gialtouridis Says:

    First of all, the text states “Saloniki.” Read it correctly. Second, there is no Macedonian nationality nor ethnicity(according to the racist Greek government that denies its own citizens to declare their ethnicity, for the rest of the world there is a Macedonian language, a Macedonian nationality and a Macedonian ethnicity, welcome to the real world gialtouridis). As far as Solun goes, the Republic of Macedonia’s citizens are using that reference on blogs when referring to this letter.

    Edited by makedonika: fyrom is so out of date, the correct term is the Republic of Macedonia.

  17. makedonika Says:

    @gialtouridis

    Sorry for my little misread of “Saloniki”, but where did you read “(Slovenia)”, both of them are from Macedonia.

    By the way are you Pontioi???

  18. gialtouridis Says:

    Cosana (Kosana) Slovenia. Or, the former Yugoslavia. Which city/town are you referring to?

  19. makedonika Says:

    @gialtouridis

    It says Cosanae and that is Kozani, Kozani is in Macedonia not in Slovenia or in Greece at the time.

    Macedones means MACEDONIANS.

  20. makedonika Says:

    @gialtouridis

    are you or are you not a Pontioi?

  21. gialtouridis Says:

    Regarding your “real world” comment: You can call yourselves “Macedonians” until you’re blue in the face. But there’s a name issue right now which is keeping you out of NATO and the EU. So who is out of touch with the real world?

  22. gialtouridis Says:

    You translate Cosanae to Kozani? You must be kidding. First of all, there is no history of any Slavs ever living in Kozani, Greece. Second, if there were, you would have given the city a Slavic name like you did with Thessaloniki, Florina, etc. Do you have a Slavic name for Kozani? You would never write “Florina”, would you? Look up Kosana, Slovenia. The document even has a question mark in the name. What is that all about?

  23. gialtouridis Says:

    I am a Macedonian Greek of Pontian Greek descent. I was born in Katerini, Greece. My father was born in Kotyora, Pontus (present day Ordu, Turkey). Do you have Slavic name for Katerini? I didn’t think so.

  24. gialtouridis Says:

    As far as the name “FYROM” being out of date:
    FYROM is the current official name of a land-locked country in the Balkans, according to records kept in a building at United Nations Plaza in New York, known as the United Nations.

  25. makedonika Says:

    @gialtouridis

    Thank you for your honesty, that you admit that you are a non-native to the Macedonian lands and thus are a descendant of Refugees coming from Turkey in the 1920s, MPRAVO Pontioi paida mou!!

  26. makedonika Says:

    @gialtouridis

    Cosanae is Kozani, and yes we call the city for Kozani to. Kozani has a dual meaning in Macedonian; 1. koza in Macedonian means goat in English, 2. kozha in Macedonian means skin/hide in English.

    So yes we can explaine the name, but why do you call Florina for Florina when the original name of the city was ChLERINion, you see LERIN is quite true to the original name, Florina is not the same………

  27. gialtouridis Says:

    I challenge every Macedonian propagandist to prove to the world with credible evidence if there was a non-Greek Macedonian consciousness at any time before 1878. For over 2,000 years, between 168 B.C, when ancient Macedonia fell to Rome, up until 1878, there has not been even one non-Greek documented reference claiming a Macedonian identity. I will not engage in dialogue as to the origin of the ancient Macedonians before 168 B.C. since any serious historian will verify that they were undeniably Greek. Even Kiro Gligorov dismissed any Slavic claims to ancient Macedonia, shortly before the assassination attempt on his life. After the rejection of the San Stefano Treaty of 1878 by the Great Powers and its subsequent successor of that same year, the Treaty of Berlin, a so-called Macedonian revolution was started by Macedonians headed by Gotse Delchev and pseudo-Macedonian but Bulgarian in origin bands such as the IMRO (guess what the ‘M’ stands for). They tried to take the Macedonian region which was promised to them by the Ottoman-Russian agreement in San Stefano, as part of a Greater Bulgaria, but denied to them in Berlin. The first Balkan War forced the Ottomans out of the Macedonian region. Then these self-proclaimed Macedonian bands eventually broke away from Bulgaria, and through this identity theft and deception, propagated by generations of deliberate misinformation and history usurpation in the Republic of Macedonia’s educational institutions, evolved into this false perception of a Macedonian identity which is the Republic of Macedonia. There was, at the time of the Balkan Wars, an authentic Macedonian Struggle in Greece as parts of southern Macedonia were eventually liberated from the Ottomans by the Greeks. Northern Macedonia is currently occupied by the Republic of Macedonia. So, I challenge you the Republic of Macedonia. Some of the territory which you occupy is considered Macedonia but can you prove to the world that you are Macedonians? YOU CAN NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT!

    Edited by makedonika: gialtouridis, this will be your first(1) warning, if you want to keep posting to this blog, use the correct terms, they are; Macedonia, Macedonian, Macedonians and the Republic of Macedonia.
    If you can not use the correct vocabulary, then go elsewhere.

  28. gialtouridis Says:

    A liar always forgets a small detail. And that is how he gets caught. The liars who came up with the idea of a Macedonian identity forgot about this 2046 year detail. There is no documentation to support the existence of a non-Greek Macedonian consciousness during the years of 168 B.C., the year ancient Macedonia fell to Rome, and 1878, the year of the San Stefano Treaty. For 2046 years where were you? Did you disappear like the dinosaurs? The truth is simple. The Macedonian Gotse Delchev woke up one morning in 1878 and decided to call himself Macedonian. He was the first liar.

    Edited by makedonika: Goce was a Macedonian born in the city that now is called Kilkis, then it was called Kukush. The Greek army burned the city to the ground in the Balkan wars forcing the Macedonians to flee elsewhere. In the 1920s the city was settled with a large population of Pontioi(Pontian) and other Prosfiges(Refugees) that were coming from Turkey, thus altering the ethnographics of the city forever. This is how a part of Macedonia became Greek, thru ethnic cleansing. The same has happened all over the Greek part of Macedonia.

  29. gialtouridis Says:

    To the editor.

    You are either of Macedonian descent or of Greek descent. What you refer to as ethnic cleansing was the Greek communists retreating into Yugoslavia following their defeat in the Greek Civil War. Those Greek communists eventually settled in Eastern Europe, adopted Slavic names and taught their children to hate Greece. You are most probably one of those children.

    Edited by makedonika: gialtouridis this is your last warning, if you post another comment like this I will publish your email and IP-address for everyones pleasure, katalaves gajduri?

  30. gialtouridis Says:

    I don’t understand. It isn’t bad enough that you alter my comments thus deviating from the truth, now you are warning me about expressing my thoughts? Talk about censorship over the internet. You are worse than communist China. What is the purpose of this site anyway? If you want to educate the world, then you should be able to withstand criticism.

  31. makedonika Says:

    @gialtouridis

    Criticism is one thing, RACISM another. You are a Racist when you refer to me as anything other than Macedonian, that is my right of self-determination, there is no ethnicity in the world called slavomacedonian, slavmacedonian, skopijan, fyromian or anything of the like.

    There is however a Macedonian ethnicity, nationality and a language, wheter you Greeks like it or not.

    How would you feel if I started to call you a fake-Greek a Refugee coming from Turkey? Or even calling you a Turkish Christian, but then again those thing if I would say them to you would infact be the TRUTH, can you withstand criticism Pontioi file…….

  32. gialtouridis Says:

    I welcome criticism. I also welcome a constructive argument. Are you willing to participate in a constructive argument?

  33. gialtouridis Says:

    There is no documentation to support the existence of a Macedonian consciousness during the years of 168 B.C., the year ancient Macedonia fell to Rome, and 1878, the year of the San Stefano Treaty. For 2046 years where were you? Can you provide documentation proving a Macedonian consciousness during those 2046 years?

  34. annettewahp Says:

    Leopold I, Holy Roman Emperor (name in full: Leopold Ignaz Joseph Balthasar Felician; Hungarian: I. Lipót) Habsburg (June 9, 1640 – May 5, 1705), Holy Roman emperor, was the second son of the emperor Ferdinand III and his first wife Maria Anna of Spain. His maternal grandparents were Philip III of Spain and Margarita of Austria.
    ______________
    annette
    Leopold I, Holy Roman Emperor (name in full: Leopold Ignaz Joseph Balthasar Felician; Hungarian: I. Lipót) Habsburg (June 9, 1640 – May 5, 1705), Holy Roman emperor, was the second son of the emperor Ferdinand III and his first wife Maria Anna of Spain. His maternal grandparents were Philip III of Spain and Margarita of Austria.

  35. Michael Warning Says:

    Inca you wrote”i guess, risto stefov propaganda influence attracts not just macedonians but also catholics.”

    Yes this does get the attention of A Roman Catholic.
    Alliances with The Holy Roman Emperor have always been desired by those nations who needed to protection of this Divine Office. Too bad the Macedonian do not have the same re-course today. Instead the world is governed by the likes of the USA, EU & UN. Macedonians should look to your Servian neighbors for the answer why this Divine Office of the Holy Roman Emperor is non-existent today. The House of Habsburg could have easily continued this Office for the benefit of your country and the World as well, but because of the rebellious Serbs who in 1914 were not content to be ruled by the yoke of the Hasbsurg Monarchy did everything they could to annihilate this monarchy. The Serbs succeeded and help to set in motion the New World Order.

    I as a Roman Catholic look forward to the day when this Office is once again re-established as a world power. When this happens you Macedonians will have some one to turn to for help. The UN & EU the Serbs & the USA will not help the Balkans or Macedonian.
    God Bless Macedonia!

  36. jas Says:

    @gialtouridis
    I understand your acts, you are afraid if the real Macedonians get permission to come in Aegean Macedonia for their properties…. then where you are going to live, because you simply occupied their homes

  37. gialtouridis Says:

    jas,

    I will use an excerpt from PM Karamanlis’ reply to Gruevski to address your concern.
    “As for any properties issue, any individual could make use of any legal recourse before the Courts, including the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg.”

    I think it’s pretty clear.


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